Having an option to invest in lengthening characterвЂ™s push distance might be interesting, but having variable results mean that players canвЂ™t use push tactically very much - not only it is not certain if push will succeed, but it is not certain how far it will move the enemy. Disengage, perhaps move it to another party members attack of opportunity zone. At the moment shoves main function is sending enemies down the clif - shorten the distance and itвЂ™s function changes. If the shove distance would be shortened to 5 feet, then it would change he nature of how would we be using. Lae'zel shoves ogre and gets natural 20+5=25, ogre gets 1, she's not shoving an ogre more than 10 feet, no matter how strong she is and how off balance the ogre is. This could also be affected by size differences in characters (e.g, creatures one size larger get shoved 5 less feet) and/or could be your check compared to the enemy taking 10 on the Athletics skill.ДЄnd if size is one larger, you shove 5 feet less, minimum of 5, so Gale shoves ogre. This is just an example and the exact numbers could be tweaked.

Shover's roll is somehow 30+ higher - shove 20 feet Shover's roll is 20-29 higher - shove 15 feet Shover's roll is 10-19 higher - shove 10 feet On the other hand, a Strength 10 person could wind up shoving an ogre 15 feet just because the ogre rolled a 1.I wasn't trying to say that an enemy should be shoved Equal to the difference between the rolls, just that the difference could affect the distance shoved.Д®.g., shover's roll is equal to the defender's roll or up to 9 higher - shove 5 feet Which, if you have that high of Athletics, shouldn't you see a difference between your shove ability and someone with 0 Athletics? Your skill and strength mean you know certain techniques and maneuvers that allow you to really shove someone hard.Дifference between rolls wouldn't work because a person could roll a 1 with -1 Strength and no Athletics while the other rolls 20 with +5 Athletics, thus throwing them 25 feet, or something similar. Then, what, maybe 15 feet is roughly the max distance shoved if you have high Athletics. That's why I thought 5 feet minimum + Athletics skill modifier in feet. However, someone with Strength 18 AND Athletics proficiency should probably shove someone a bit harder than a weak Strength 10 character. On the other hand, a Strength 10 person could wind up shoving an ogre 15 feet just because the ogre rolled a 1.Д«ut then, I suppose it might represent that the character caught the ogre off balance, and it stumbled backward 15 feet before catching it's balance. The latter in particular would add some fun uncertainty to your shoves - sometimes you'd shove the enemy 5 feet, other times 10 feet, and very rarely up to like 20 feet.Дifference between rolls wouldn't work because a person could roll a 1 with -1 Strength and no Athletics while the other rolls 20 with +5 Athletics, thus throwing them 25 feet, or something similar. I'm not 100% for it, but I'm certainly not against it. +0.5 for shove distances being affected by your Atheletics/Strength/the difference in the check between you and the enemy.

So there really shouldn't be that much horizontal velocity that would translate into large distances when shoved off a cliff. A shoved enemy isn't being shot out of a cannon shoves essentially cause a character to stumble backward - a sensible physical explanation is to prevent themselves from falling prone. So, if you are 5 feet from the edge and pushed 8 feet, you travel 5 feet to the edge, 3 feet further, and then straight down.I'd also be fine with them moving an additional 5 feet while falling, but no more than that. Anyone who is shoved off a ledge should travel horizontally as normal and then drop straight down.

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